Photography of sorts

[pmahnn]

Sundowner, what's your digital setup?

[Invisible]

[ipoach]

Saw one of these on west yesterday. They are rad.

[pmahnn]

What lens?

[Invisible]

What lens?

super old nikkor 50mm f1.4. I think Ai-s

[Sundowner]

Sundowner, what's your digital setup?

Nikon D700. That shot was taken with a 300mm 2.8 from about 3m away. Very friendly bird. :]

[pmahnn]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuk

full frame or crop

i do not know what to do!

crop i save $1K which allows me to get the macro lens I'm eyeing

full frame I have full frame!

[slim]

Check this out:

This is a cam-lock tail that loosened causing it to overheat. This is 4/o cable rated to 400A It continued to hold 275A until I noticed it burning. A nice little birthday surprise and the first issue I've had with my rig in two years...


Yes douches the load was balanced. Just a bad tail.

[Sundowner]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuk

full frame or crop

i do not know what to do!

crop i save $1K which allows me to get the macro lens I'm eyeing

full frame I have full frame!

Its a tricky dilema. I think the real reason to go full frame is to utilize all the pro glass thats geared towards 35mm(especially so for wide angle) and the low light advantage. But Im always one to argue for glass over camera and in the case of either owning or not owning a macro lens, that makes it even harder to decide. Are you shooting Nikon? If so the 55mm 2.8 macro is pretty much as good as it gets for macro and it sells for less than $200 on ebay and is pretty easy to find at camera stores that sell used gear. Its manual focus, but for macro work thats pretty much what you want since auto focus doesn't help much when you're shooting on a tripod and likely using a remote trigger.

[pmahnn]

Its a tricky dilema. I think the real reason to go full frame is to utilize all the pro glass thats geared towards 35mm(especially so for wide angle) and the low light advantage. But Im always one to argue for glass over camera and in the case of either owning or not owning a macro lens, that makes it even harder to decide. Are you shooting Nikon? If so the 55mm 2.8 macro is pretty much as good as it gets for macro and it sells for less than $200 on ebay and is pretty easy to find at camera stores that sell used gear. Its manual focus, but for macro work thats pretty much what you want since auto focus doesn't help much when you're shooting on a tripod and likely using a remote trigger.

Nope, I'm a Canon. And I completely agree that glass is worth more weight than body. Considering I prefer macro photography to wide angle I think the crop factor is a benefit. But the sensor on a full frame is just better. As a photographer you may cringe, but the video capture on the 7d is really nice, better than the 5d Mark II. With all the bugs I shoot, being able to screw around with actually filming them scurry about is exciting.

Maybe full frame in a few years...

[Sundowner]

Sounds like the 7D is the way to go, especially since macro reach is what you are after - and in 2 years the price on the 5d will go down like crazy. And I only have envy for the canon video capabilities and am keenly looking forward to the D700 replacement that will inevitably have a more up to date video option.

[slim]

I doubt Nikon will ever catch up to Canon when it comes to video. Canon has a lot of experience with high end camcorders, and that tech would cost Nikon a LOT of money to R&D.

I'd go full frame, and start building a quiver of real "pro" lenses... Yours being L series. As downer said it's the glass that really matters, and I'd rather have a sensor designed to work with a 35mm lenses. I wouldn't get a camera body yet though. The new 5d is coming out in 6-9 months and when it does a mark2 will be mid to high teens. Not bad for what you get there.

my .02.

PS I'd love a d700 but lack of video is going to force me into canons camp.

Pmahn I don't agree about the 7d having better video than the 5d. Why did you form this opinion?

[pmahnn]

Sorry, it was phrased poorly. Canon seems like they included video on the 5d as an afterthought. The 7d seems much more refined in the options, interface, and usability when capturing video. I realize the actual video is probably going to be better on the 5d because of the sensor. However, the video on the 7d is still really, really nice.

Then again, as you mentioned, a new 5d is going to be out sometime next year. And I'd assume it would have much improved video capture, and maybe a slightly higher fps for shooting.

[Sundowner]

Its true, Canon's experience with video is clearly an asset that has paid off for them and those that enjoy making high definition video. But don't forget that Nikon produced the first DSLR to have video and that, as a company, they have a knack for making for any past mistakes. Namely, making the first DSLR to have video totally fucking suck for making any videos and assuming that only parents shooting Billy's soccer game would want video on a DSLR. But I think if you look at the D3S video capabilities you can see that eventually Nikon is going to include the full range of video options on their D4 line of cameras, whenever they get released - and the new D7000 has made significant improvements already. I like a camera that can handle being dropped and rained on, so Nikon it is. Ill just keep videographer off my resume until the time comes.

[slim]

The main downfall of both cameras is the inability to capture higher frame rates in 1080p (you have to step down to 720p to get 60fps) and obviously that there is no way to circumvent the H.264 format and get a RAW data stream.

Still, build a system around a full sized sensor. I just think the babies are going the way of the DODO and I'd hate you to be left with a bunch of lenses that are useless on a full frame sensor. You KNOW the L series are going to hold value, and what are you really saving on the body? Less than a grand? That's peanuts.

Sundowner I agree to an extent. The Canon bodies are SO far ahead of Nikon in terms of electronics and processing. Nikon is SO far ahead of Canon when it comes to glass and low light performance. I'll be watching the upcoming models closely, as I'm about to invest in a video capture system that can utilize cinema primes and other high end lenses. I really want a RED. Don't have $40k though.

[600#gorilla]

nikon - schmikon, canon - schmannon.

whatever YOU have is the best.

pffft.

the most important thing that one needs - to make good photography - is next to impossible to teach, and B&H doesn't carry it.

[slim]

Maybe YOU are missing the one thing that you can't teach and BH doesn't carry. I have seen plenty of artists who have great ideas and abilities to frame a shot, but are either too stupid or lazy to learn technique and apply those skills. But thats a whole other argument.

[pmahnn]

The main downfall of both cameras is the inability to capture higher frame rates in 1080p (you have to step down to 720p to get 60fps) and obviously that there is no way to circumvent the H.264 format and get a RAW data stream.

Still, build a system around a full sized sensor. I just think the babies are going the way of the DODO and I'd hate you to be left with a bunch of lenses that are useless on a full frame sensor. You KNOW the L series are going to hold value, and what are you really saving on the body? Less than a grand? That's peanuts.

No lens I purchase, henceforth, will be for a crop sensor. I want to make it with the Ls for the rest of my life. I just don't want to buy the 5dMarkII because of it's afterthought video capture.

I was set on the 7d until you showed up, making me second guess the crop. Now I have to wait a year for the 5d Mark III to come out.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk.

[pmahnn]

I'll buy glass in the meantime.

This first. Then probably this.

[600#gorilla]

Maybe YOU are missing the one thing that you can't teach and BH doesn't carry. I have seen plenty of artists who have great ideas and abilities to frame a shot, but are either too stupid or lazy to learn technique and apply those skills. But thats a whole other argument.

haha - i'll take the compliment!

stupid and lazy, actually.