Photography of sorts

[Sundowner]

14 image layer blend to stack the focus. tilt/shift lens let me put the whole scene into focus.

[slim]

Why not just shoot the shot closed down and achieve the same result without all the layers and fuss?

[Sundowner]

You can't stop down enough to put the whole scene into focus and even when do push it near or at its minimum aperture you get brutal diffraction. The only way to bring the whole scene into focus is to tilt the lens. Read this to understand more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheimpflug_principle

[slim]

Wait, just to clarify: You are saying you use 14 layers all with different focal points AND tilt shift lens to make that boat shot?

[Sundowner]

I used the tilt action of my TS lens to make a small vertical section of the focal plane span from the front of the image all the way to the back of the image. Then afte each shot I adjust my focus by a fraction and it moves the thin plane of focus over. Repeat until each area has been covered and then go home and let CS5 do the rest of the work. The shot below is a single frame where I used the same degree of tilt I did for each of the 14 images in question:




A single tilted frame is the same way to achieve the pseudo-miniature effect with a TS lens, except that the idea isn't to extend the focal plane, rather you are placing the focal plane creatively so as to achieve the desired effect :


This should help to understand a bit more: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutor ... ents.shtml

[slim]

Thats an interesting application for a tilt shift lens. I always see those used for product photography, especially food shots where you are shooting at around 45* angle a lot.

So you go around and shoot landscapes with a tilt shift and use photoshop to trick all the f64 group fanboys? Heh.

[slim]

you're quote is retardified porchiepie

[Sundowner]

So you go around and shoot landscapes with a tilt shift and use photoshop to trick all the f64 group fanboys? Heh.

Well, I'd like to have a large format camera so that I could use a system that allows f64 without the horrible diffraction that I get with 35mm and full frame digital lenses stopped down. So, its more that Im doing what I can with what I have in the mean time. When I put together a macro shot of a flower or something small and colourful it should stand out much more than the boat shot.

[slim]

Oh totally. The boat shot, because of the lack of foreground elements, appears like it easily could have been taken with a relatively stopped down tele or midrange lens. So do you have any examples of macro type shots using this technique? I am not aware of a true 1:1 macro tilt shift lens on the market yet. There is a canon one that comes close but it's not a real macro. Have you messed around with extension tubes on your tilt shift to help achieve macro shots?

Cool idea though. If I used photoshop I would try it out. But I don't.

[skav]

[600#gorilla]

14 image layer blend to stack the focus. tilt/shift lens let me put the whole scene into focus.

blah, blah, blah. total masturbation.

all the technical knowledge in the world isn't going to change the fact that your photo is poorly framed and unsophisticated.

there is no way in the world that the water in the foreground is more important to the photo than the top of the mountain in the background would have been. placing the ship directly in the center of your frame is lazy and wrong.

the bow and stern of the ship are uncomfortably close to the sides of the frame.

the dark parts of the photo are way too dense.

the whites are overblown.

if your gonna show off what a smart guy you are - you could have easily come up with a better example.

[slim]

It DOES seem like a lot of work for such an ordinary looking photograph...

I am not pleased with the framing, or the overall photographic result either gorilla. However from Sundowners comments I inferred that this was just an example of the technique and not a shot he was particularly proud of. Certainly nowhere near as composed and refined as some of the other shots he has posted on this site. Exposure doesn't bother me much though. Whites are barely clipping and the darks have detail. Could be a lil better but pretty damn far from horrible.

[Lox]

Front of boat looks like it is sitting about 3 feet above the water.

[600#gorilla]

i agree, slim.

sundowner is definitely talented and he has posted plenty of great photos to back that up.

in fact, i compliment him pretty regularly on his good work.

frankly, i didn't get the impression - one way or another that he wasn't neccessarily "proud" of this photograph. the impression that i did get is that he was trying to impress us with his technical knowledge.

since i don't really posess much photographic technical knowledge, i don't really have a lot of respect for folks that can talk the talk yet seem cluless asbout how to walk the walk - so to speak.

plus, i'm also not really dependant on "exotic", or even state of the art equipment to produce excellent photography - so, listening to gearheads go on about tilt/shift this and photoshop that really seems ridiculous to me.

grasp of the fundamentals and the ability to produce is what impresses me.

[Tronic]

I thought criz only used medium format film!

[slim]

Im not a PS user. It always seemed like a crutch used to get a result you could have gotten using the camera in the first place. I've always shot JPG and never RAW. You should be able to get the exposure right during the moment.

It sounds like Sundowner aspires to own the photographic gear that could achieve a perfectly crisp 1 foot to infinity type of f/64 shot but can't afford the gear yet.

I am much more interested in RAW video footage. Being able to tweak exposure during a long shot as you move from lighter to darker areas etc. I want RED ONE. 4k RAW. Could make so much money with it.

But I HAVE to admit. If I WAS a professional still photographer covering events like weddings and stuff where you only get one shot at a lot of moments, I would shoot RAW. It would be nice to have that extra insurance in your back pocket...

[Sundowner]

frankly, i didn't get the impression - one way or another that he wasn't neccessarily "proud" of this photograph. the impression that i did get is that he was trying to impress us with his technical knowledge.

...plus, i'm also not really dependant on "exotic", or even state of the art equipment to produce excellent photography - so, listening to gearheads go on about tilt/shift this and photoshop that really seems ridiculous to me.

I'll say this once: Go see a professional. You think way too fucking hard about what other people may or may not intend with what they and say and what they do. I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks at b.com and neither does anyone else...except you. Your opinion on photography is combative and uninformed and you come off like a complete douche just about every time you write something in this thread. I take it you are still butt hurt that I didn't promptly return your PM regarding your new found fanboy state. Thats pretty sad and now you're about as annoying as wildbeast. In fact, I find him dramatically more entertaining than you by a long shot.

Its not exotic you dip, its a lens that lets you achieve similar results to a view camera. Thats it. And a brief mention of what I did to accomplish a photo is "going on"? It was a sample shot because I only just started to use layer blending to stack focus - something that tons of pros whose photos you would drool over have been doing for years with programs like photoshop.

FuckTard4lyfe!!!!111!!!!1111!!1!

if your gonna show off what a smart guy you are - you could have easily come up with a better example.

If you wanted to show off how much of a douche you are, you just did a fantastic job pulling it off. Bravo, fucktard.

It sounds like Sundowner aspires to own the photographic gear that could achieve a perfectly crisp 1 foot to infinity type of f/64 shot but can't afford the gear yet.

True, but its actually not that expensive to acquire old 4x5 cameras and I have access to two exceptionally great lenses made in the 60's. Its just a matter of saving a few hundred bucks and finding a good deal on ebay.

[Invisible]

[600#gorilla]

You think way too fucking hard about what other people may or may not intend with what they and say and what they do. I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks at b.com and neither does anyone else...except you.

panties in a bunch much?

for someone that doesn't care what people say on b.com,

or particularly what i say on b.com,

you sure put a lot of energy in to reacting to it.

anybody that puts as much energy in to trying to produce as many photos as you do, and then goes to the effort of putting them up for display on a website as often as you do

obviously really cares what his audience's reaction to it is. especially if you have to edit what it was you said after you posted it.

i think it's pretty obvious that you think pretty highly of what you do.

even i like most of your photos.

frankly, dissing me by calling me a fanboy for openly being interested in your photography is pretty fucking arrogant and immature don't you think?

what a fucking hypocrite.

perhaps during your next session, you should talk to your therapist about how you can learn to graciously accept compliments and constuctive criticism?

[600#gorilla]

oh, and because you mentioned it,

when i pm'd you to relay my admiration for your photography and to introduce myself,

all i was hoping for was to get your real name so, possibly, i could find more of your photography on the intardweb and/or in the magazines.

however, you're such an arrogant douche that you pointedly never gave me your name.