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Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:43 am
by mountainz
New school geo is a definite improvement for making riding easier. Bigger tires and wheels increase grip and rollover. Longer bars increase turning leverage. Shorter chainstays makes manuals easier. Longer tt makes you less likely to go over the bars.

I think of it as a 30% performance increase downhill at the cost of %3 performance decrease climbing, which is a trade-off your average mountain biker is happy to make.

But I think there's an argument to be made that the joy of mountain biking is in the difficulty of the thing. And sure an enduro bike is challenging when you're a seasoned rider tearing down a rocky mountain but mostly people are just cruising butter smooth urban trails on super compliant bikes at which point, I'm like, bro, are you really mountain biking anymore?

So that's why I'm a hard tail and a rigid guy. I want to feel the trail. I want to get over obstacles with skills rather than suspension. And I think this sentiment is also partly what is driving the industry away from enduro and into gravel. The pendulum is swinging back.

But of course gravel isn't immune to ridiculous tech. Don't get me started on gravel droppesr and micro-suspension. Jesus Christ. Though the seasoned rider knows what's up. The bike doesn't matter. It's all about the skills, baby. I'd still smoke your ass on a Huffy. And I'll give knucks to any boss that shows up to the ride on a 90s nut buster.

Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:51 pm
by RockPharmer
mountainz wrote:8 miles after work. Secret townie trails.

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Cute bike path

Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:44 am
by Lox
mountainz wrote:I think of it as a 30% performance increase downhill at the cost of %3 performance decrease climbing, which is a trade-off your average mountain biker is happy to make.


Really? I feel like I'm more willing to slow down a little on the downhill if I could get a bit more power on the upside of the arroyo. I guess I get the advantages of bigger diameter wheels, wider tubeless tires and no front derailleur, but it seems like I always get stuck behind these slow guys on squishy newschool bikes when all I want to do is rip. I'd love to do a lap on a 29er Karate Monkey just to see if that 29er hardtail is the next evolution for me. Also... it is time I acquire a bicycle with disc brakes. That seems fun.

Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:44 pm
by mountainz
I do think 29 is faster. And to tell the truth I've had well set up v-brakes that were more powerful than any 2-piston hydraulic discs I've ever used, but of course rim brakes are useless in the wet. Also with a good set of hydraulics you can go a year without adjustments.

SET IT AND FORGET IT!

Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:37 am
by Lox
I like faster, but also like the idea of smoothing out the bumps with a bigger diameter wheel.

Got out today for a quick six before class.

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Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:04 pm
by mountainz
Karate monkey is cool. I almost got one a few years ago in 27+. But they're a fucking pig at 30+ lbs.

If I was gonna get a new XC bike to roast climbs without breaking the bank, I'd probably go for the Specialized Chisel or Chisel comp for $1500 or $1700. Superlight weight aluminum frame. Of course these fuckers won't give you a full-build weight (drives me fucking insane) but I bet it comes in around 25 lbs.

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Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:09 am
by Lox
Yeh I look at the lineup of Specialized bikes and the Fuse looks badass but jesus pushing 2.8s around the dirt seems like a bit much. The Chisel looks nimble.

Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:50 pm
by joy
mountainz wrote: the joy of mountain biking

sup

mountainz wrote: I want to feel the trail. I want to get over obstacles with skills rather than suspension.

Skills and suspension aren't mutually exclusive, but I can see how you get there given the way most chuckleheads ride.

mountainz wrote:And I think this sentiment is also partly what is driving the industry away from enduro and into gravel. The pendulum is swinging back.

I beg to differ. Gravel bikes are for people who want to mountain bike but can't, which makes sense if you're in, like, Iowa and gravel roads are all you've got. I mostly see people get gravel bikes who are a) not really trail riding and maybe using them for mixed terrain rides or hella lowkey bike packing or b) just too big a pussy to actually ride trails.

Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:47 am
by Lox
Oh man I thought gravel bikes were like for peeps who like to do distance but not on like tiny tiny tires because the roads are bad or they live in places with dirt roads. Now I see that these gravel bike piece of shit douchebags are totally ruining bicycles for everyone else by being total ASSHATS. Fuck these guys. Gravel bike PUSSIES.

Thanks joy for bringing that to my attention. Hope you're staying safe and well and riding trails. Ride all the trails.

Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:32 am
by mountainz
GTFO JOY.

jk we cool.

Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:53 am
by Lox
Tomorrow morning. Fantasy Island Tucson North Parking. 7:15 am.

I'll ride with anyone but you have to let me lead. No way I'm huffin your aerosols for 10 miles.

Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:02 am
by RockPharmer
my bike with some cows.
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Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:27 am
by Lox
Fuck yesh. Hoping there's some ST lurkin' in them woods.

Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:47 pm
by RockPharmer
ST and more cows
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Re: This thread is about bikes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:07 pm
by Lox
That's the sweet, sweet content I want.